Classic Episode: July 7, 2013 — Richard Toronto & Geneva Hagen on Palmer/Shaver

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🗓️ 17 September 2024

⏱️ 118 minutes

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Summary

Gene and Chris present Richard Toronto, author of "War over Lemuria: Richard Shaver, Ray Palmer and the Strangest Chapter of 1940s Science Fiction." Toronto, a former newspaper reporter, is a long time student of the Shaver Mystery. We'll also be joined by Geneva Hagen, co-editor of the UFO/occult/counter culture magazine, "Caveat Emptor," and a friend of Shaver's. Both Palmer and Shaver were pioneers not just in science fiction, but helped in encouraging interest in flying saucers in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Indeed, Palmer is sometimes identified as "The Man Who Invented Flying Saucers."

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0:00.0	You're in the Paracast. You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
0:28.3	And now, here's Gene Steinberg.
0:34.3	Now, I have to say here on the Paracast that Chris and I do not pretend to be perfect.
0:40.2	Well, Chris is perfect because he's a trickster, and tricksters are always perfect.
0:44.3	I tend to be less perfect.
0:45.9	So we did make a mistake, understandable mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
0:50.7	So last week I mentioned on the show an article that basically said,
0:57.0	Aztec is really Roswell.
0:59.1	The Aztec case in New Mexico was just a distortion of the Roswell case.
1:05.5	It was an article.
1:06.6	Yeah, good theory.
1:07.4	I like the theory.
1:08.4	Yes, it is.
1:09.4	Very good theory.
1:10.6	I mentioned it to Kevin Randall, and he seemed to think it was also an interesting point and worth discussing.
1:18.6	It appeared at a site called UFO iconoclast.
1:23.8	And we knew that Tony Bergalia was one of the contributors, and we assumed, or you assumed,
1:29.9	anyway, that Tony had written this article, because this is the kind of contrary point of view he takes.
1:35.2	Well, after we did the show, we since learned that Tony didn't write the article, was written by
1:41.6	the main proprietor of that blog, Richard Reynolds.
1:46.6	Yeah.
1:47.1	But it's still a good idea. But Braggia disavows it. It's not his point of view.
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