Hello and welcome back to the Get Your Global Podcast.

I'm joined today by the amazing Amy Ransom, author of The Soul-Sawing Virtues of Separation.

We're talking all about reframing the narrative around breakups.

On today's episode, we spoke all about how the law of attraction took Amy from

victim to victorious, how can feel empowered during life's great changes, and how we can support

those around us to gain a new perspective around separation. I absolutely love speaking to

Amy and found her point of view so interesting and empowering and I hope

you do too. So let's bring on the wonderful Amy. Amy, welcome to the podcast. Hi, Madeline. Thank you so

much for having me on. I'm so excited to be here. No, I'm so excited because actually I was having a

walk and talking about this subject and

the sort of stigma around relationship breakdown and separation and the feeling of failure

around it, which I think needs to be completely reframed.

The idea that a breakdown, a divorce, whatever you know, you're going

through is a type of failure. Do you agree with that? Absolutely. I mean, I think it's such a

difficult subject, isn't it, to talk about? And it's one that's really rooted in failure and

shame as well. And I think as well, because of that, it makes it feel like an

undesirable place to be in if you're not actually already there. You actually feel like

it's not something to aspire to. And I know that sounds really weird to talk about aspiration

in terms of separation because you don't go into relationships hoping

they'll end. But actually, once you can see people around you that are what I call soaring,

it gives you confidence to actually work out what you want from a relationship and what works for you.

And it also gives you that confidence to not stay in something that clearly

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