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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

All-In Podcast, LLC

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4.27.1K Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

(0:00) Friedberg and Chamath welcome Senator Ron Johnson

(2:30) The Reconciliation Bill process, how much the Big, Beautiful Bill will add to the national debt

(14:33) Problems with growing our way out of debt, why elected officials are avoiding the fiscal reality

(24:53) Energy rescissions, future of DOGE

(32:09) How Senator Johnson will force a real review of the Big, Beautiful Bill; future of MAGA and the Conservative movement

(54:15) Next steps if the Big, Beautiful Bill passes

(58:35) Post-interview recap

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Power corrupts.

0:02.0

Government is power and it's been corrupt.

0:04.0

Nobody knew in total how much we spend because we never even talk about it.

0:09.0

The first goal of this Republican budget reconciliation should be don't add to the deficit.

0:15.0

I voted for President Trump because I wanted him to defeat the deep state.

0:19.0

You don't defeat the deep state by continuing to fund it at Biden's levels.

0:23.6

Our base is going to go, why did we elect you guys?

0:25.6

You're really no better than Democrats.

0:27.6

I don't think President Trump, he's not focused on reducing spending.

0:30.6

This is our one opportunity.

0:32.6

And right now we're blowing it.

0:34.6

And I'm going to do everything I can to make sure we don't blow it.

0:36.6

I can't be pressured by President Trump. He's willing to sit down with me, look at the numbers,

0:41.7

acknowledge them, working forward in a reasonable plan forward. That's the only way he's going to get my

0:46.5

support. So everyone has assumed that the House passage of the reconciliation bill is going to go

0:53.0

to the Senate with some minor changes

0:54.6

and then make its way to President Trump's desk for signing. But that may not be the case.

0:59.8

There are several hardliners in the U.S. Senate who have made it very clear that the budget and the

1:05.3

fiscal deficit problems that arise from this bill are insurmountable, and they're going to

1:10.2

take a very hard stance on voting no on this bill.

1:13.3

Taking the lead on that point of view,

1:15.0

Senator Johnson from Wisconsin,

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