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They say it's a thin line between love and hate, but we're working every day to thicken that line,

or at least to make it a double or triple line.

But now here's your line jumping host, Eric Mattaxas.

Today you're listening to my conversation from a few weeks ago with Senator Josh

Hawley at Socrates in the city.

Before we continue that, I want to remind you today we need to go go to metaxistalk.com and click on the banner to help free slaves. Metaxistock.com. You'll see the banner. We're working with CSI. We really need your help. Please, metaxis talk.com. God bless you. Here's my conversation with Josh Hawley.

And it also, I think,

has to do, has something to do with the concept of being grounded. In other words, that,

you know, if everything is in your head, if you're not working with your hands,

we're meant to be grounded in this world.

And there's something about hard work that does that.

And, you know, as we've been talking about these trends,

that's definitely been denigrated over time.

You know, now I can never get the quote,

but where, you know, we've moved more and more manufacturing

to other countries and what's the solution?

People say, well then, you know, Americans just need

to learn to code or whatever, you know.

And that hasn't worked, it won't work, it can't work.

Somehow we have to bring manufacturing back what do you what is what is your

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