Hi, Bill Crystal here, editor at large of the bulwark.

Very pleased to be joined today by Senator Mark Warner from my home state of Virginia here.

I guess if you lived there 40 years, you can call it a home state, right?

I think that's about, I'm about 45 years in.

Okay, good.

And vice chair, for today's purposes, formerly chair, now vice chair, depending on which

parties the majority of the Senate Intelligence Committee, very well respected, I will say,

for your work on that committee by people of different persuasions and both parties.

And we really want to talk about the current moment, particularly the boat strike on September

2nd, but then the whole campaign and broader questions you phrased

and a couple of very interesting four speeches about where we are in our intelligence community.

So thank you for joining for joining me. I know how busy you are. And so you were there at Thursday.

You had, I think one of what, six senators maybe, six members of Congress who had.

I was, I was the last interview and I was the only member in that meeting.

And it was, I felt there was a little more free-flowing even General Kane, the chairman,

because I wanted to get into some of the particulars, asked a lot of the folks to leave.

So we had a very, I think, a deep, candid conversation.

Oh, that's great. So you spent, someone told me you spent about an hour with, with the chairman, General Kane, and Admiral Bradley, and, as you say, very few steps. So what did you learn and what, what do we need to know about? What happened on September 2nd. Well, I learned that the overall policy predicate that went into this has got real questions. The policy was decided in late July.

The legal opinion was not even fully drafted until September 5th, three days after the September

2nd strike. So I had questions to whether that policy had changed. That was a document that we didn't

get in the Congress until late November. And the video itself is chilling, grim, whatever term you want to use.

And one of the things I've been hesitant to reach, even though I know what I saw and I have

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