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Sen. Kelly says Trump doesn't “understand the Constitution”

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🗓️ 25 November 2025

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Summary

Facing the threat of a potential military court martial and possible questions from the FBI, Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona spoke to NPR's Scott Detrow. This comes after Kelly, a Navy veteran and former astronaut, appeared with five other Democratic lawmakers in a video letting active duty troops know they do not have to follow illegal orders.


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0:00.0

Last week, a handful of Democratic lawmakers had this to say to America's troops.

0:05.2

Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse

0:12.3

illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

0:17.8

That was Senators Mark Kelly and Alyssa Slotkin, as well as Congressman Chris

0:21.7

DeLuzio. Democrats didn't specify what illegal orders they meant, but after the video's release,

0:27.6

President Trump posted on social media that the video amounted to, quote, seditious behavior that

0:33.0

was, quote, punishable by death. Although the president later clarified he was not threatening death,

0:38.3

he maintained that it was seditious behavior. And other members of the Trump administration

0:43.0

condemned the video as well. Here's White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt, speaking to

0:47.4

reporters on Monday. You can't have a functioning military if there is disorder in chaos within

0:53.1

the ranks. And that's what these Democrat members

0:55.1

were encouraging. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth called the video, quote, despicable, reckless, and

1:00.8

false. And then the Pentagon launched an investigation into one lawmaker specifically. Arizona

1:05.8

Senator Mark Kelly, a retired combat pilot and astronaut. Here's Levitt again. I think what

1:10.7

Senator Mark Kelly was actually trying to do was intimidate the 1.3 million

1:15.5

active duty service members who are currently serving in our United States Armed Forces

1:20.2

with that video that he and his Democratic colleagues put out.

1:25.0

Hexath said that because Kelly is the only one of the lawmakers who received full military

1:29.6

retirement, he retired as a Navy captain, he's the only one still subject to military justice

1:34.7

and could be recalled to face a court-martial.

1:38.2

A move like that would be unprecedented.

1:40.4

Former military lawyer Kevin Carroll, who served in the first Trump administration, says it's most likely not a serious legal threat.

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