Self Help Hostage w/ Kelly Thiel

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Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 566 Ratings

🗓️ 2 March 2022

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Kelly Thiel is a highly sought-after speaker and consultant to families and organizations regarding high-demand groups, cults, and narcissistic personalities. She is dedicated to helping people reclaim their freedom and begin their own healing journeys. Kelly has experience as a member of the Executive Success Program/NXIVM, a high-demand group whose leader was convicted of federal crimes, including sex trafficking. Kelly was also featured with Rachel in the STARZ documentary Seduced: Inside The NXIVM Cult. Her involvement with NXIVM led her to study other high-demand groups and cults of personality like Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh (Osho) and Bikram Choudhury. Her lifelong journey and personal experience as a seeker of human potential and spirituality taught her to identify the many methods used by high-demand groups, cults of personality, and narcissists to attract, indoctrinate, and control their followers and people in their circle of influence. She understands how to identify the red flags, suggest a course of action, and recommend professional resources for interventions to help affected families and organizations. Kelly is set to release her first book this year, “Unapologetically Glorious”, inspiring others to be their own guru and to take ownership, take action and take back control. In this intimate and bravely vulnerable conversation, Kelly shares invaluable insight into her time in NXIVM. She outlines the dangerous and traumatic "Exploration of Meaning"sessions she witnessed and experienced herself as a member of the "Executive Success Program" Throughout the conversation Rachel gives Kelly the opportunity to reexamine her impressions of the NXIVM community in retrospect. Kelly explains the relationship dynamics she had with the leaders, some of whom are now serving prison time for their roles in the group. Finally, Kelly explains the gradual shift away from the group and the catalyst that ultimately led to her freedom. Before You Go: Rachel addresses some of the red flags that are heavily pronounced in the inflated egos of narcissistic leaders like Keith Ranerie, reflecting on the epic hypocrisy of their demand for accountability. You can see Rachel, and Kelly in the documentary Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult: https://seduceddocumentary.com/ Find more info on Kelly and her upcoming book here: http://kellythielbook.com/ Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Heather Christiansen, Rachel Biffin, MaryBeth Dorn, Esther Friedman, and Kateland Harte!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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0:00.0	Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.
0:11.1	I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.
0:13.4	Hi, everybody.
0:14.7	Before I introduce the guest for today, I wanted just to make mention of a few things happening in the world locally
0:23.9	and globally. And I'm sure there are many more things happening. And this is not to ignore all
0:30.6	the other things. But I want to mention first, Texas Governor Greg Abbott is calling on quote unquote licensed professionals and members of the general public to report the parents of transgender minors to state authorities if they appear to be receiving gender affirming medical care.
0:52.3	The Department of Family and Protective Services are to be called to conduct
0:56.9	a prompt and thorough investigation of any reported instances of minors undergoing elective
1:03.6	procedures. So because of that, he added also that state law provides criminal penalties for failure to report such child abuse
1:14.2	and that means that anyone who has any issue with any of this can report a medical professional
1:25.5	a parent a family it is going to creating, if it hasn't already,
1:31.3	many vigilantes, and people who can just take the law into their own hands, basically.
1:38.6	And globally, right now, as I record this, there is a war going on in Ukraine.
1:47.1	And I am sending my good wishes, as we all are, for safety, for healing, for help to the Ukrainian
1:57.6	people.
1:58.1	And a thank you to all of the Russian citizens who are uprising,
2:05.3	who are meeting to protest what is happening at the hands of their government.
2:12.4	What happens so often is that people turn on the innocent, And that's what's happening locally with people who are
2:22.7	transgender or their parents and globally with Ukrainian people. A few months ago, there was a guest
2:31.4	on our show, Olga, who helps work at an organization called
2:37.5	Stopfake.org. And she was keeping track of Russian propaganda that was infiltrating
2:46.5	Ukrainian news and causing infighting between the Ukrainian people, a very common tactic with Russian
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