From the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center,

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, the Armstrong and Getty Show.

Can Chets you have be a model for what we're seeing now? And if it is, it's a horrible model.

It's basically surround the city, shall it, kill everyone, and then pave it over and rebuild it.

It might take a decade, it might take 20 years. If your houses are getting destroyed,

if your family members are getting killed, you fight differently. The sphere of battle gets wider.

That's a pretty dark assessment from Steve Herrick and Fox News who's back from Ukraine,

and that's his report. Are the Russians going to follow the Chetsch-Din model? Kill everyone, destroy everything, pave it over.

Dr. Jeff McCauslin as a CBS News Military Consultant Founder, CEO of Diamond Six Leadership and Strategy LLC,

and also a senior fellow at the Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership at the Naval Academy.

Jeff, it's always a pleasure. How are you, sir?

I'm doing very well and thanks for having me on.

Is that what's going to happen? The Russians are just eventually going to take over this country,

kill enough people, abduct enough mayors that they pull off, what they want to pull off? How do you see it?

Well, it's certainly an objective, I think, so they may now have a secondary objective,

because they thought they got accomplished that in a couple of days, and now we're in third week,

and they're not any closer to doing that.

They might be, if they can't take the whole country, and if they do, so I think they better expect now to understand

if they're going to need far more troops to control it than they did to take it,

because they'll be in the middle of an insurgency of, you know, some 40 plus million people.

They might suggest that they can take key center of gravity as we described in military terms,

perhaps secure the coastlines of the Sea of Oz off down in Mariapol, and the Black Sea around...

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