Welcome to the podcast Think Vivically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Sean McDowell, Professor of Apologetics at Talbot School

of Theology Biola University.

And I'm your co-host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty. of Today we're here with a dear friend of Biola, dear friend of ours personally, who you will recognize

Abdul Murray.

He is a senior vice president with Ravi Zachary's International Ministry, an attorney, author, international speaker, and he's recently

written a book with Ravi Zachariahist entitled, Seeing Jesus from the East. And it a wonderful wonderful book that I'm thrilled to unpack

but I'll do thanks for coming on the show let me let me start by asking you this

question you dedicated this book to Nabil Kereshi. Now I know a lot of the

audience will recognize his name but tell us a little bit of who he is and

why you and Ravi chose to dedicate it to him. Well, Scott and Sean, thanks so much for having me and what a pleasure it is to talk about not only this book, but

Ravi and Nabil.

So Nabil was a very close friend of both mine and Robbies.

Nabil came like I did from a Muslim background.

After a lot of years of railing against the Christian faith,

we found ourselves submitting ourselves to Christ and

kneeling at the cross that we once denied. And the BEO had a heart to reach out to

eastern people and really get them to see the authenticity and the beauty of the

cross especially Muslims but all Easterners really and so he approached Ravi

years ago and a couple of years ago I should say and asked well more than a couple because

Nipial passed away unfortunately two and a half years ago from stomach cancer but

before that he approached Ravi and really wanted to have a perspective of Jesus from the east from a former Muslim perspective, which was Nabil's, and the transplanted Indians' perspective, which was Ravi's.

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