But in the far, far away, and I saw and I saw there was heaven, and I could hear the angels singing, and then he said to me, look down. I was standing in front of hell.

This is touched by heaven.

Everyday encounters with God.

Those moments when heaven and earth collide.

And we see God.

We see his hand reaching out to us, attempting to get our attention, inviting us into a closer relationship.

Here we share stories of encounter with angels.

Divide intervention, prophetic dreams, visions, near-death experiences, big and little God incidents.

I'm your host, Trapper Jack. Welcome, so glad you're here for episode 117. This is an exceptional

episode. So much is here. Debbie reached out to me from South Africa and told me that she has three stories.

Now, what's interesting, I think, is that first story happened when she was eight,

innocent eight-year-old and Jesus took her to heaven.

All right, double her age.

Sixteen, what happened to 16?

At 16, she finds herself on the doorstep of hell. Double the age again. And at 32,

Debbie finds herself standing in front of the three persons of the Holy Trinity, Father,

son, and Holy Spirit for that encounter moment, a tearful one. So I'm figuring if we double that age,

in fact, I'm sending a message to Debbie right now. Okay, what's going to happen at 64? We'll see if she responds before we're through here.

But also, you're going to hear some terminology in this episode like first heaven, second

heaven, third heaven. What's all that? Well, the third heaven is the heaven that we think of as heaven.

St. Paul referring to it that way in 2 Corinthians chapter 12 because he was

taken to that third heaven. First heaven is here on earth. What's the second heaven? Jesus said that

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