Welcome to the Creative Pen podcast. I'm Joanna Penn, thriller author and creative entrepreneur,

bringing you interviews, inspiration and information on writing craft and creative business.

You can find the episode show notes, your free author blueprint, and lots more at the creative pen.com. And that's Pen with a

double N. And here's the show. Hello creatives. I'm Joanna Penn. And this is episode number

806 of the podcast. And it is Friday the 25th of April, 2025 as I record this. In today's show, I talk to Dr. Rebecca White about the

practice of entrepreneurship and how you can see, do and repeat, while also focusing on optimism

in your viewpoint on things and also shifting from academic writing to writing more of a mainstream kind of

book plus fear of judgment which I know is a challenge for many including me so that's coming up in

the interview section and I am also on Rebecca's podcast which is called the n factor so like the

entrepreneur the n factor e Factor this week,

if you'd like to hear me being interviewed on the topic of entrepreneurship and writing.

I go into the evolution of being an indie author and how technology changes have played such a part,

as well as my early failures and strategies for a long-term creative career. So you can check

that out as well. And the interview with Rebecca is coming up soon.

In writing and publishing things, there's an interesting article on self-publishing advice.org

about the rise of short form audio,

which actually ties into Derek's interview last week on using shorter form fiction on YouTube and podcasts.

And also, if you remember, I mentioned this after meeting with Spotify at Author Nation last year.

And they mentioned how one-hour audio is great for commuting.

And so I made a playlist of my short stories back then

and suggested that authors of similar genres make playlists as well.

And this article on self-publishing advice expands on some other ideas,

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