Make Life Your Biggest Art Project: Pia Leichter On Writing, Creative Courage, And Changing Your Narrative
The Creative Penn Podcast For Writers
Joanna Penn
4.8 • 745 Ratings
🗓️ 5 May 2025
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
How can you explore the edges of your creativity to find your next becoming? How can you turn the evolution of your life into art? Pia Leichter talks about her creative courage, different ways to rest, and intuitive book marketing in this interview.
In the intro, Lessons from Six Years Writing Full-time [Sacha Black]; Reflections on big shifts in life, creativity, and mindset; Spotify Transitions Select Audiobook Distribution Services to INaudio [FindawayVoices]; Death Valley fulfilment; and Successful Self-Publishing Fourth Edition; Writing memoir and non-fiction — I'm on the Writers Ink Podcast; plus Lindisfarne on Books and Travel.
Plus, AI can be used in films that could win Oscars [The Week]; and Executive Order to advance artificial intelligence education in the USA [White House].
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Pia Leichter is an award-winning creative director and coach, founder of the Kollektiv Studio, and the author of Welcome to the Creative Club: Make Life Your Biggest Art Project.
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Show Notes
* What does a creative director do?
* Overcoming the fear of writing a book
* How to take control and not let life just happen
* Tapping into your next becoming
* Type 1 fun vs. type 2 fun
* The necessity of rest for creativity
* Marrying artistic expression and commercial objectives
* Changing the scarcity script around books and money
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Creative Pen podcast. |
| 0:03.7 | I'm Joanna Penn, thriller author and creative entrepreneur, bringing you interviews, inspiration and information on writing craft and creative business. |
| 0:14.6 | You can find the episode show notes, your free author blueprint and lots more at thecreativepen.com. |
| 0:22.5 | And that's Penn with a double N. |
| 0:25.0 | And here's the show. |
| 0:26.9 | Hello, creatives. |
| 0:28.0 | I'm Joanna Penn, and this is episode number 807 of the podcast, and it is Saturday |
| 0:33.8 | the 3rd of May 2025 as I record this. |
| 0:37.9 | In today's show, I talk to Pia Lister about creative courage, different ways to rest, and |
| 0:44.7 | intuitive book marketing, as well as how you might explore the edges of your creativity to find |
| 0:51.3 | your next becoming, which I rather like as a phrase. So that's coming up in the |
| 0:56.5 | interview section. In writing and publishing things, well, Sasha Black has posted her |
| 1:06.0 | lessons learned from six years writing full time. It is an emotional one and I'm not going to give the spoilers. |
| 1:12.6 | But I wanted to point out that Sasha started a new pen name just a couple of years ago, Ruby Row, |
| 1:19.2 | started writing in a new genre, Sapphic Romantasy. |
| 1:23.6 | And she has found her voice through writing, this genre that she loves, and through making that creatively brave choice. |
| 1:31.9 | Because starting a new pen name is always a brave choice. |
| 1:34.6 | You might think, well, why would I do all that work? |
| 1:36.8 | And then nothing happens. |
| 1:38.2 | And people are always saying, oh, you know, should I start a new pen name? |
| 1:42.2 | Is it worth doing? |
| 1:43.2 | Isn't it really hard to break out? So I think it's |
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