This is Paul Adamson and I'm in conversation with Rob Wainwright.

Rob Wainwright is the director of Europol.

So Rob, first things first, maybe we think we know what Europol is and does, what actually does Europol do?

Well, what it's not, and a lot of people think it is, is the European FBI.

We have no powers of arrest.

But we are, I think, a very important information hub, a platform to connect a community now

of 700 law enforcement agencies right across Europe and indeed many other countries that we're

working with, sharing intelligence every day, coordinating operations against some of the most dangerous criminal and terrorist groups

operating in Europe.

So I think very modern part of the way in which law enforcement is responding to these

highly challenging threats.

Okay.

So we want to talk about technology in particular. We only have a few

minutes. We can't cover everything, but I know you're very exercised about the rise of technology

and how it can be used for nefarious as well as for good purposes. Can you give me a sense of

where your biggest worries are, where technology is helping the bad guys to get their way?

Of course the internet and it's the way in which the internet is being used by terrorists,

for example, and where the Islamic State is managing to establish a strong propaganda base

across the internet, across social media platforms,

over 20 of them actually active, and to recruit people as well.

But then on the other side, of course, cybercrugs,

cybercriminals that are developing ever more sophisticated lines of attack,

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