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I think that many, many people are looking for stability and relocating the center of where

can a gracious God be found, exhausted by the chase of new highs and feelings and experiences

inside the chambers of the heart.

The era of subjective beliefs and subjective experiences is gone,

and you're looking for objective anchors for the faith.

So I see that happens everywhere I travel, so it's not typical Swedish.

Yeah, yeah.

For me, it was, you know, Jesus is saying the word, what does it help a man if he wins the whole world but have lost his soul? I experienced that in the midst of success, you know,

in Swedish terms, not American megachurch.

But you were well known in Sweden.

Yeah.

We had relative success with our church and we did church plans.

And in the midst of that, I was feeling like I was trying to win the world, but at the

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