The Hey everybody. Hi guys, hi guys, well from beautiful Salt Lake City, Utah.

It's, thank God I am atheist.

The podcast, I'm Frank Feldman.

And I'm Dan Beecher.

And coming up today, we're gonna be talking about,

uh, well, we're going to be what we're going to be what we're going to be the right lead in for this.

What we're going to be talking about is space, non-religious spaces that are designed to be...

That do the cool shit that religious spaces can do.

Right. They're designed to inspire them.

Not Mormon religious spaces, mind you. The religious spaces of our youth did not inspire awe.

No, rugburn on the burlap.

That happened. But not awe. Not so much awe. But... But we're going to talk, but you know you go to a a cathedral you go to a Catholic you know an ancient cathedral and

There's awe. Oh yeah it's amazing and so yeah so I had an experience on my little on my trip

Going to a museum that had been designed to inspire the same kind of awe, but we'll get to that.

Yeah, and I've been to some places too.

We're going to talk about secular spaces and where we can go as secular people.

Right, to experience such awe. where we can go as secular people.

Right, to experience such awe.

We don't have to ignore that.

No.

It's something that we should feed, I think.

Yeah, I think so too.

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