I mean, have you ever had a piece of pie in, like, the bottom crust, especially towards the middle is, like, floppy and raw?

Ugh.

That's a soggy bottom.

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Hi, guys. Hey there. Hey, Thanksgiving is upon us, which means one of my favorite food guests is our guest today, Leslie Stockton.

Ah, our wire cutter food star. She has been on the show covering butter and she starred in our Thanksgiving episode last year where she covered all sorts of kind of basics that you might want to think about for cooking the bird and the sides.

We didn't actually really get to dig into the thing she maybe loves the most. I don't, I don't want to overstate it and say in this world, but in the food world, which is pies.

Oh, she loves a pie. She loves a pie. Yeah, she has written a couple pieces for wire cutter around pies. She has a piece up that covers her favorite tools to use. And she's also tested a lot of our pie gear, including pie plates and our rolling pin picks and all of that good stuff. And she's also made a lot of pies. Yeah. Like for decades, she's been making pies. You guys worked together at Martha Stewart. We did. We worked together at Martha Stewart. And she... Yeah. So I'm really excited to chat with her today about her best tips and tricks and secrets and secrets to making a bomb pie for the holidays. Well, we're going to take a quick break. And when we're back, we'll talk with Leslie about all of her best tips for gear and technique for this pie baking season. Be right back.

Welcome back. We've got Leslie Stockton in the studio with us today, and she is a senior kitchen gear writer who's been writing gear guides for wirecutter for over a decade. Leslie

formerly worked as a food editor at Martha Stewart, where part of her job was literally just developing Thanksgiving recipes.

And she's baked probably hundreds of pies by now.

Leslie, we love having you here to talk about food and gear.

Welcome back.

Thank you.

I also love talking about food and gear.

Well, you're in the right place.

Leslie, you joined us last fall to talk about Thanksgiving

gear related to cooking the bird and the sides, but I know that you are way more of a pie person

than a bird person. In fact, you came to my house last year for Thanksgiving and you brought

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