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Welcome to the History Extra podcast, fascinating historical conversations from the makers of BBC History Magazine.

When you visit a medieval church, what oddities should you be looking out for?

What's the difference between a gargoyle and a grotesque?

And why in such holy places do you find rude and explicit statues?

As a stonemason and conservator, Andrew Zaminsky has spent his working life restoring medieval churches.

And he's the author of a new book, Churchgoing, which is all about the

ins and outs of these medieval religious buildings. Andrew spoke to David Musgrove.

Today, I am delighted to be joined by Andrew Zaminski, whose new book is Churchgoing. Now,

Andrew is a bit different to the normal guests we have on the History Extra podcast.

He's not a historian by trade. He is a stone mason. Give us a little sense of you and your background

and the sort of work that you do. Well, I'm a church stone mason and conservator, and I've been

doing this for getting on for 40 years now. And the reason I wrote my book,

Church Going, is that I was always giving impromptu tours to people on our scaffolding and around

our church conservation projects, just explaining to them what all the features and furnishings were

within the church. And it seemed very

clear to me that people didn't really understand what they were looking at. I mean, why would

they when all these features and furnishings became irrelevant after the Reformation? So I started to

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