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I'm Rebecca LaVoy, and this is Crime Writers' On.

Crime Writers On. Crime Writers On is the original True Crime Review podcast that digs in a true crime,

pop culture, other podcasts.

And on this episode, a group of artists discover an unused space within a Rhode Island shopping mall and build themselves a secret apartment.

Is it a prank, a political statement, or performance art?

We'll talk about the documentary Secret Mall Apartment, now out on Netflix.

Joining me to get that done in more as True Crime Author, TV Journalist, and host of.

These are their stories podcast, my husband and love of my life.

Kevin Flynn, hello, Kevin.

Hello, Rebecca.

Also with us, private investigator, certified pet detective, resident cat lady, and author of the final curtain, Lara Bricker.

Hi, Laura.

Hey, and I'm an aspiring mom-level Olympic contender at this point.

Well, what does that mean?

It means, like, if middle-aged moms were going to pretend they were entering, like, freestyle slope side, that's what I'm trying. Okay, so the mom Olympics. The mom Olympics. Yeah. And finally, our captain of all things cynical, author of the city trilogy, host of Rip Current, more like ancient phalians, strange arrivals, and our Patreon deep dive book club podcast, Toby Ball. Ola-a-a-naño. Hello from the Iberian Peninsula, Rebecca. So, Kevin, this is Monday's program. It is. What's coming up on Thursday's show? Yeah, on Thursday, we're going to talk about the podcast from The Binge. It's called Watching You. Okay. So, Toby, have a question for you. Yes. You're in Spain and the Olympics are going on in your neighboring country of Italy. And I'm wondering if you... It's kind of a distant neighbor, but yeah. Well, yes. I'm wondering if people in Spain are as armed shared expert as we are here in the U.S. with all of these sports. Because Americans watch the Olympics

who become experts and everything. You know, I don't know. I don't know how many Spaniards are actually

in the Winter Olympics. The streets don't seem to be buzzing with Olympic fever. I would put it that way.

You don't feel like you live in the speed skating neighborhood? Valencia? No. No. I think if I was in

like Holland, maybe, the Netherlands, I guess, maybe, but I... Or Norway. Or Norway for cross-country skiing

or what have you, but I think Spain has probably got a pretty limited delegation to the Winter Olympics.

So yeah, it just doesn't seem like it's that big a deal. It's certainly not like Formula One racing when it kind of wants

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