The following episode contained sensitive material, including firsthand accounts of sexual abuse against children.

Listener discretion is advised.

What's your secret?

Welcome back to another week of Beyond the Secret. My name is Ace Fanning.

This week's interview is a little bit different than some of the interviews that I've done in the past

because this is the first time that I am doing the interview in person.

And the reason I'm telling you this is for two reasons.

First, I want you to know that it's not just me in that room.

I am there, the brother and sister that I'm interviewing are there,

but also her husband and his girlfriend.

And when you have five people in a room,

that's a lot of emotion and at almost every point during this interview

someone's eyes were filling up with tears and I think I've just I've never

considered the impact an in-person interview would have on everything.

But the second reason that I'm telling you this is because there is so much that you as a listener are

missing and I so wish that you could have been there because you just, you won't see, you won't know it.

Like, the way he rubs his sister's back

when she starts to cry,

or the fist bump he gives her at the very end of the interview.

This story is an extremely emotional one and oh my God. It has so much bad in it, but there's also such a beautiful story at the same time

between these two siblings.

I just hope that like, even though you can't see it with your eyes,

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