Secondary tariffs explained: can they hurt Russia?
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 22 July 2025
⏱️ 26 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
After Ukraine announced another round of peace talks with Russia, commentators continue to question whether President Trump’s latest threat of secondary tariffs carries enough weight to force Vladimir Putin to the negotiating table. So we’re asking how exactly these measures could be rolled out, what the impact would be on international trade, and why the US isn’t opting to introduce further sanctions alongside the EU.
To answer all of that, Victoria and Vitaly are joined by Stephanie Baker, a senior writer in Bloomberg’s investigations team, and the author of ‘Punishing Putin: Inside the Global Economic War to Bring Down Russia’. Plus, we discuss how Russia is overhauling the education system for those 1.6 million Ukrainian children living under occupation.
Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko. The producers were Laurie Kalus, Polly Hope and Julia Webster. The technical producer was Hannah Montgomery. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480
You can join the Ukrainecast discussion on Newscast’s Discord server here: tinyurl.com/ukrainecastdiscord
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | We get it. |
| 0:02.6 | Life is busy. |
| 0:03.7 | You want to keep up with the news, |
| 0:05.2 | but there's just too much going on. |
| 0:07.0 | Which is where Newscast comes in. |
| 0:09.1 | We do the work, |
| 0:10.1 | and when you're ready to dig deeper into the day's news, |
| 0:12.9 | you just pop us into your ears. |
| 0:14.8 | It does mean we have to put in the hard work, though. |
| 0:17.6 | Listen to Newscast every day on BBC Sounds. |
| 0:21.6 | BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:25.4 | Hello, it's 1,245 days since Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:32.4 | And Vitale, we weren't necessarily expecting you today. |
| 0:35.0 | Yeah, I came into the office with a suitcase. |
| 0:38.1 | I was preparing to fly to Istanbul for another round of talks between Russia and Ukraine. |
| 0:44.1 | Because Bodim Rzolensky said on Monday that it's taking place tomorrow, Wednesday. |
| 0:50.0 | Then the Kremlin said, well, not necessarily. |
| 0:52.4 | We'll let you know the exact days when there's more clarity. |
| 0:55.5 | And still, there's no clarity, but I'm flying to Istanbul tomorrow. |
| 0:59.2 | Just in case, looks like there might be happening on Wednesday evening, maybe Thursday, maybe Friday. |
| 1:04.3 | Nobody's really expecting much. |
| 1:05.9 | But hey, talks between Russia and Ukraine always sort of... |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from BBC, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of BBC and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.