I'm Previously on the Frozen Truth podcast, a mother and her son went missing in November 1996,

seeming to have vanished into thin air.

Sandra Jacobson's abandoned car was found on the banks of the Missouri River at Bismarck,

leading Detective Tim Turnbull to conclude that Sandra and her five-year-old son, John Jacobson,

had somehow entered the cold water on their own that night and drowned.

No trace of their bodies or belongings have been found in the 25 years since, save one single child-sized shoe that was uncovered from the area of the river the following day.

The shoe is believed to be Johns, but that has never been confirmed.

This episode is part two of our conversation with Detective Tim Turnbull, who's now retired.

Not only did he serve as lead investigator on the case,

but he is one of the very few remaining first-person witnesses to the scene of the abandoned car

following Sandra and John's disappearance on November 16, 1996.

And this case was not the first or the last missing person's case he worked during his time in Bismarck.

I did a couple of other cases like that.

One of them, the guy disappeared and was last seen in deathbeda, California.

But the report was taken up here because this is where he was from.

But that guy was actually found camping, living on a beach in California.

And it turned out his father had done the same thing 20 years earlier.

And then there was another one.

We had a woman that had disappeared, but she was home also.

So I think this particular case that you're dealing with now,

with Sandy is the only open case that the Bismarmeat PD has, if I'm not mistaken.

The Bismarck Police Department alerted the public about Sandra and John's disappearance,

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