What's going on Besties and welcome to a very special episode of Pillows and Beer, Craig.

And I have switched up locations in his house.

We are in front of this beautiful brick wall facade that you see here.

And it's a very special episode, as I always say, but as we always say.

This one actually is Craig. Why is this week's episode a special episode?

I'm really excited. One of our great friends in the Bravo universe, Lisa Barlow from Salt Lake City, the Housewives of Salt Lake City.

I mean, that franchise is the hottest one on the block right now.

And she's actually me joining us right now. So go ahead and talk a little bit about how we met Lisa.

Well, well, we am at Lisa at BravoCon, but then after BravoCon, I remember you saying that you and Paige and her were sitting there talking to each other for a minute.

So we've been trying to make this happen for a while.

And I think it just makes so much sense considering that both of our trailers just dropped at the same time.

So we're the shows that are going to be on this fall. So there are a little Bravo darling this year.

And after you met her at BravoCon, I mean, I just remember you I've been talking to me about her since basically and saying that we'd love to have her on and that we'd love to have her as one of our besties.

And so we are lucky to have her on this week.

I'm a big big fan of Lisa's and we just hit it off and I love like making friends in this.

I know. I know. And that's what BravoCon does.

It allows us to meet meet some cool people. I met one of her I met one of her cast members there as well.

You know, and I'm not entirely sure what like, you know, the inner workings are Craig, you know, who who is friends with who and who might be enemies.

I mean, I don't know of her and Heather gay or friends, but I mean, I'm sure I'm a safe.

Same in that cast is like six six people or you know, so it's like, I'm sure like they all have to be friends in some.

Look about no, no, OK.

That's easy. That's easy. That's easy.

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