But I testified for Congress about boxing a couple times in the 90s and all of the problems

I identified are still here in 2022.

My brother died in the early 90s when I was at HBO, suicide and that's one of the reasons

why I sort of consider myself a mental health advocate.

But I, in order not to get myself drinking or drugging myself into oblivion after his

death, I threw myself totally into work.

And we're sitting there having lunch and he had this like strange, aggressive, perturbed

look on his face.

And I was just trying to make chitchat.

So we're talking and I'm chatting with Cedric, I'm chatting with some of Cedric's

employees there.

I'm at the table.

And I look at Ike and I said, so Ike, where are you living these days?

And he looks at me and his eyes get really wide and he grabs a steak knife and he puts

it over his head and he plunges it into the center of the table so that the knife is embedded

back to boxing life stories with me, Tristixson, and this week I'm joined by another Hall of

Famer, Lou DeBella.

Lou, like last week's guest, Kathy Dover, was inducted into the International Boxing

Hall Fame last weekend and I was there with them both.

Firstly, it was wonderful to meet Kathy out there having recorded the podcast with her

last week after our podcast, actually she was told by plenty of people out there how

much they enjoyed the podcast, which I did too when boxing life stories is all said and

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