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Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

Season 3: Episode 5: Deborah Johnson & Zandra Rolón Amato

Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

Making Gay History

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4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2017

⏱️ 20 minutes

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In 1983, Deborah Johnson and Zandra Rolón Amato went to a Los Angeles restaurant for what was supposed to be a romantic dinner. Instead they wound up in court. They fought back against discrimination and won. Visit our episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources.  For exclusive Making Gay History bonus content, join our ⁠Patreon community⁠. ——— To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I history

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Eric here

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A few months ago we launched Making Gay History's Patreon channel

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a place where we're sharing new video interviews

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Never Before Heard Clips from my archive

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that didn't make it into the episodes and more.

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Just $5 a month gets you access to these Making Gay History extras, and you'll support us as we work to bring LGBTQ history to life

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through the voices of the people who lived it.

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Find out more at Patreon.com slash Making Gay History. or go to making gay history

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and click on the link in our home page banner and thank you so much.

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I'm Eric Marcus and this is Making Gay History. In 1983, 27-year-olds, Deborah Johnson and Zandra Rolon Amato went to a Los Angeles restaurant for what was supposed to be a romantic

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dinner. Instead, they wound up in court.

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The two seasoned activists from the 1970s and early 1980s gay and lesbian civil rights movement

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found themselves face to face with the kind of discrimination they thought was history.

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By the early 1980s, dozens of cities and counties across the country had passed laws protecting the rights of gay people in employment, housing, and public accommodations.

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That included restaurants, but that didn't mean everyone complied with the laws, and a lot of those new laws had never been tested in court.

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Deborah Johnson grew up in Los Angeles in what she described as a very upper middle class bourgeois black household, a very well rooted, extremely well connected family.

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Deborah called Zandra's family a Mexican commune.

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Zandra explained jokingly that she was related to three quarters of the population in

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Brownsville, Texas.

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So here's the scene.

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