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Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

Season 1: Episode 5: Frank Kameny

Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

Making Gay History

Sexuality, Personal Journals, Health & Fitness, History, Society & Culture

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2016

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Frank Kameny fought for what was right. And he never gave up. Lessons for us all. Visit our episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources. For exclusive Making Gay History bonus content, join our ⁠Patreon community⁠. ——— To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Eric Marcus and this is making gay history.

0:07.0

I'm Eric Marcus and this is making gay history.

0:12.0

In 1953, President Dwight D Eisenhower signed an executive order that essentially banned gay people from federal employment.

0:20.0

It was an incredibly paranoid time in our nation's history.

0:23.5

The anti-communist thought they saw subversives behind every tree and traitors under every rock.

0:28.8

So the federal government set out to fire all employees they believe threatened the nation's security and gay people

0:34.0

were a huge risk. Why? Because they could be blackmailed by foreign spies and why

0:38.8

could they be blackmailed? Because they had to keep secret they were gay. And why do they have to keep secret that they were gay?

0:44.0

Because they could be fired from their jobs,

0:46.0

lose their homes, even lose their families if anyone knew they were gay.

0:49.0

Don't bother trying to figure out that logic,

0:51.0

because it'll make your head explode.

0:55.6

One of the people who lost his job because he was a known homosexual was an astronomer

0:59.5

employed by the Army Map Service named Frank Kamene. They had no idea what they were doing

1:05.6

when they fired Frank. Frank wound up becoming one of the most militant and

1:10.1

important thinkers and leaders of the LGBT civil rights movement,

1:13.0

long before it was called the LGBT civil rights movement,

1:16.0

or even the gay rights movement.

1:17.0

So I went to Washington to interview Frank.

1:19.0

It was a surprisingly mild early June day when I arrived at Frank's house in Washington, D.C.

1:24.6

It's a modest two-story post-war brick colonial in a leafy prosperous neighborhood, just outside

1:29.3

the center of the city.

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