Welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep,

on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, untagging yourself from photos of your hair metal

days on Facebook or else, a scrappy upstart, taking a picture of yourself in the studio with

the caption, My Office for the Day, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most,

an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

What's up, everybody?

It's the last Friday of February 2019.

I'm glad that you're here.

Thank you for joining us. Today's show marks the

beginning of our fourth year. We started this program three Februarys ago with our episode on

the great and mighty Joe Ely. And I'll tell you that this program has brought nothing but joy into my life. The best part

about it for me is that it's made other musicians and songwriters feel like they can always

just come up to me and just start chatting even if we haven't met before. So if I'm at a festival

or at a club or just at a party, I just feel like I've made a lot of

new friends. So I'd like to thank you guys so much for listening to the program. I know there's a

lot of other things that you could do with your time, but you choose to listen to this. And I'm grateful.

And I'd like to thank all the guests. Now there's 37 of them for giving me their time and

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