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Like there's this the air of the spare. There's that kind of ceiling.

Because I'm a cartoonist, Michael. Like, where did you expect me to live?

Good afternoon, Michael Malis here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour we have with us.

This is going to be a lot of fun. We have shameless coagulant. He is the head of freedom tunes, a very popular YouTube channel. I hope you guys all subscribe to it where you make funny animated shorts about various political personalities and they all go wide.

I'm really kind of impressed with how successful your channel is because you see pop up everywhere.

I had been under the impression that animation is something that is exorbit and obviously it's gotten cheaper, you know, over the years, like, is it as expensive as I think what's your process.

So fortunately, my animation is trash. So, you know, super cheap. I'm being facetious, of course, and I can't make the kinds of self deprecating jokes I used to about the art on freedom tunes because while used to mostly be handled by myself and then myself with with, you know, one or two people helping.

We've grown to the point where I've been able to bring people on to focus a lot on the animation for me so I can kind of step away from that from time to time when I need to.

So I just want to say I think my animation team is phenomenal. They do great work. Animation is generally very expensive, very time consuming.

And in some instances, it's stankless because right now, particularly YouTube is favoring long form content. That's sort of been the paradigm for I want to say almost the past 10 years or so.

Can I interrupt you because I thought I've been told that you have to do these shorts and they want everyone to start doing shorts. That's is that inaccurate.

So shorts are pretty big and they'll get a lot of visibility, but there was a shift right around the time.

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