SCOTUS Is Not Done With Guns and Abortion

Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

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News Commentary,, Government, News

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🗓️ 23 September 2023

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Ryan Busse, a former gun-industry executive turned gun-safety advocate, who is now running for governor in his home state of Montana. As the right to bear arms for domestic abusers is set to be argued at SCOTUS this term, Dahlia and Ryan discuss how gun culture has been radicalized in order to… sell more guns. They also examine how that radicalization has reached the Supreme Court, and threatens our safety, and our democracy.

Next, Dahlia is joined by Alison Block MD, a family doctor and abortion provider who is also executive producer and host of The Nocturnists podcast’s Post-Roe America season. The season lifts the voices of healthcare workers and abortion providers around the country, scrambling to survive in the confusing legal landscape created by Dobbs. The conversation highlights the impossible bind for red state abortion providers forced to choose between caring for patients and criminalization, and how providers in neighboring states are trying to keep up with unquenchable demand for care.

In this week’s Amicus Plus segment, Dahlia is joined by Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern to discuss why they never ever want to go to the all-male rich dude Lord of the Flies camp that is Bohemian Grove, why it’s pretty shocking that Justice Clarence Thomas did, and how the latest Propublica reporting shows the scheme in sharp relief: interest groups founded and funded by billionaires wanted to end the regulatory state, and they found a justice ready to change his mind and do just that. Dahlia and Mark also discuss why the abortion pill banning Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk is all of a sudden so worried about misogyny.

Dahlia’s book Lady Justice: Women, the Law and the Battle to Save America, is now out in paperback. It is also available as an audiobook, and Amicus listeners can get a 25 percent discount by entering the code “AMICUS” at checkout.

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0:00.0	I just wonder if other justices on the Corrigan Clarence, hey, you sold us bill of goods
0:08.9	on this thing.
0:09.9	I'm very curious about this.
0:15.3	The legal and medical frameworks of thinking about this are inherently incompatible.
0:20.1	Like, you don't talk in medicine, you never learn in medical school or residency, how
0:24.8	to assess how much someone is dying and whether or not it warrants intervention.
0:29.6	If someone is dying at all, you do something about it.
0:43.6	Hi and welcome back to Amicus.
0:45.7	This is Slate's podcast about the law and the U.S. Supreme Court, and I'm Danieliswick.
0:51.4	I cover those things for Slate.
0:53.5	It's been a little bit of a whirlwind week for me with the paperback launch of my book,
0:58.6	Lady Justice.
0:59.6	Thank you all for the kind words, the support for my little pink book about the law that
1:05.6	is also actually about the big, big ways that women plus the law equals magic.
1:12.1	And thank you so much for chatting about it in your book clubs and for giving it to
1:17.6	law students, I appreciate it.
1:20.4	In addition to the book launch, this week we are trying to wrap our heads around the
1:25.1	start of a brand new term, which is coming at us hard now for those of us who have been
1:30.1	imagining better, more comprehensive ways to think about the high court, connecting the
1:35.7	threads of judicial friendships with billionaire donors and Leonard Leo's golden spigot into
1:41.7	the cases that eventually get to the docket.
1:44.5	One thing we just keep obsessing about is this, what are the long term consequences of
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