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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

SCOTUS and the "Color Blind" Constitution

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

The Supreme Court wrapped up a year of giving Trump and the Republican Party nearly everything they could want. And even in the final, birthright citizenship case, what is remarkable is not that Trump lost, but how close he came to winning that one too.


Guest: Jay Willis, editor-in-chief at Balls and Strikes. 


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0:00.0

So, Jay, how's the Supreme Court doing?

0:13.8

The silence that met that really said enough.

0:19.2

Answer to that question depends a lot on who you ask.

0:25.0

Jay Willis covers the Supreme Court over at Balls and Strikes, and it took him a solid five seconds to answer me here.

0:34.6

If you're a Republican politician who generally thinks that Trump's vision for America and the

0:43.3

Republican Party's policy platform is on the right track, Supreme Court's doing pretty good these days.

0:49.9

If you are literally anyone else, it's been kind of a tough week.

1:00.5

I called Jay up because yesterday was the final day of the Supreme Court's official term,

1:04.9

though they will continue ruling on their so-called shadow docket during the summer.

1:14.1

Over nine months, the justices have reshaped the way voting, immigration, and all sorts of other things work in this country.

1:23.0

And things seem tense. The liberals are sending off these fiery dissents, sometimes reading them from the bench, for emphasis.

1:36.0

Last week, there was even a public tiff between Justice Sotomayor, who was taking issue with an immigration decision, and Justice Alito, who seemed to express indignation that she'd said anything at all.

1:46.0

That is an indication that for all the effort the justice has put into emphasizing that they are friendly, they are collegial, they get along behind the scenes, they're really mad, they really hate each other's guts. At the same time this is

1:52.0

happening, we see a sense of glee from some of the conservative justices. Like, have you seen this

1:58.2

video of Clarence Thomas on Capitol Hill, sort of stalking the halls and giggling?

2:03.6

I don't know.

2:04.6

So what are you doing up here?

2:06.6

Oh, just walking?

2:07.6

No meetings in particular?

2:09.6

I'm going to tell you about.

2:11.6

Yeah, Thomas has always been sort of contemptuous of the liberal media by which he means like any media to the left of Breitbart.

2:23.2

So to him sort of the idea of, you know, the idea that any journalist might have questions about his presence on Capitol Hill that they would want to report to people.

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