Welcome listeners to the First Things podcast.

This is Rusty Reno in New York at the editor's desk, which is, of course, the title of this

podcast series, where we speak to authors of essays in recent

issues of First Things. And today, I'm pleased to have Scott Yenner with me, the author of

Sexual Counter-Revolution from the November issue of First Things. Welcome, Scott.

Thank you, Rusty, for having me.

Well, we, the topic of your piece, which is quite wide-ranging, is of course, the sexual revolution.

You call it a rolling revolution. Why rolling?

I call it a rolling revolution because it never seems to finish.

It keeps gaining speed. There's always leading edges to it, but it is set for itself,

unfinishable goals that need to fundamentally transform human nature, but always runs into another limit that is

placed by human nature in its way. So, for instance, feminism is set for itself the goal of

creating a world beyond gender, which means that there will be really no differences between

men and women in the world.

But what ends up really happening is that it kind of changes one more a

or changes one law.

And then there's still a difference between men and women.

So in order to achieve this world beyond gender, they need to change another morey and

another law. And so in this way, I see things like

transgenderism as a wave or a role of the rolling revolution, to try to take the world beyond

gender, that began with feminism, but, you know, now is culminated in transgenderism,

and there's probably something lying on the other side of transgenderism

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