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All right, bookcases, we're with you again, and we're glad you're with us.

I'm Charlie Gibson, the latter half of the bookcase with Kate and Charlie. I'm Kate, and that makes me, what, the former half? Like, the latter and the former, right? Like, I don't know. But either way, I'm Kate, and it's always lovely to have you with us. And this week is actually a little bit of a technical marvel.

I am at the moment, as you hear my voice, in the North Atlantic on a cruise ship on a crossing from Southampton to New York.

And we're making this work.

I just, it's unbelievable to me.

And it's especially important that we get this done because we have somebody that I suspect every listener that hears our voice right now has read. You should tell them who we've got, Kate.

Yeah, we're talking to the fabulous Scott Thoreau. And my first exposure to Scott Thoreau was presumed innocent, which was in some ways it was was massive. It was like, it's better written than this. Sorry, Dan Brown.

But it was like the Da Vinci Code of its time.

You know, if you hadn't read it, people were going, do you know who killed her? Do you know who killed her?

And then it became this huge film presumed innocent with Harrison Ford.

And now Scott Chorot has written the sequel, which is compulsively

readable. And I just love it. It's called Presumed Guilty. And it is worth it. Go out and get

yourself a copy. It is a page turner, especially if you love page turning courtroom procedural drama

thrillers. It's awesome. If you read Presumed Innocent, and I think everybody did, you'll remember Rusty Savage.

This book goes back years and years and years. But then he wrote Innocent, which also featured

Rusty Savage. And now for the third time he's written about Rusty Savage, who, as you'll remember

and presumed innocent, he was the accused, accused of killing Carolyn Palhima's, and in this book,

he is now retired, he's 77 years old, Scott has let him age, he has sown his wild oats

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