SCOTT PAYNE | Going Undercover to Expose America's Nazis (Ep. 734)

Undaunted.Life: A Man's Podcast by Kyle Thompson

Religion & Spirituality

4.9 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 25 March 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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In this episode, we welcome Scott Payne to the show. Scott, aka “Hillbilly Donnie Brasco”, is a retired FBI Special Agent who spent 28 years in law enforcement, investigating drug-trafficking organizations, human traffickers, and domestic terrorists. Much of that work was undercover work that included him infiltrating Neo Nazi/white supremacist groups (like the Ku Klux Klan and The Base) and biker gangs (like the Outlaws Motorcycle Club). He is the author of a new book “Codename: Pale Horse - How I Went Undercover to Expose America’s Nazis”. In this interview, we discuss what led him to federal law enforcement, how he was recruited into undercover work, what it was like being trained by Joe Pistone (aka Donnie Brasco), how he got his introduction into infiltrating the Outlaws Motorcycle Club, the time when he thought his cover was blown and that he was going to be murdered by the gang, how he joined/infiltrated the Ku Klux Klan, the difference between old school white supremacists and “Accelerationists”, if he is worried about his safety now that he is retired from law enforcement, and much more. Let’s get into it… Episode notes and links HERE. Donate to support our mission of equipping men to push back darkness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:32.6	The This is undaunted Life a Man's podcast.
0:55.3	I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.
0:56.7	Let's get into it.
0:59.0	All right, guys, we've got a special guest on the podcast today.
1:02.6	His name is Scott Payne, aka Hillbilly Donnie Brasco.
1:07.1	Okay, so he is a retired FBI special agent who spent 28 years in law enforcement investigating drug trafficking organizations, traffickers and domestic terrorists but much
1:11.6	of that work was done undercover okay and that included him infiltrating neo-nazzi and white supremacist
1:16.2	groups like the kuklux clan and the base and also biker gangs like the outlaw motorcycle club
1:20.7	and he's the author of a new book which details everything that i just talked about called code name
1:24.8	pale horse how i went undercover to Expose America's Nazis.
1:29.0	And I joked with them off air because I get a lot of pitches. Okay, I get a lot of pitches for people to
1:33.4	come on the show. And, you know, I'll get probably 20 to 25 pitches of authors or documentarians or
1:39.3	athletes or different people for every one that I bring on. Okay, just a bunch of people want to get on the show now, but not everything's a good fit.
1:45.7	And it really doesn't take much for me to get rid of a pitch.
1:48.3	But the pitch I got from his publisher, I was about halfway through reading it.
1:51.2	I was like, absolutely.
1:52.8	This is going to be super interesting.
1:54.7	And this was before I knew that this was a faith-based guy. But really in this conversation, we get into, you know, why he got into law enforcement, how he got in the FBI, what kind of brought him to the undercover world. But we look at different
2:04.5	misconceptions about what undercover work entails, how you get into it. But then we looked at
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