SCOTT PAYNE | Deep Undercover with the World’s Toughest Nazis, Biker Gangs, and Drug Lords
Order of Man
Ryan Michler
4.8 • 9K Ratings
🗓️ 1 April 2025
⏱️ 84 minutes
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Summary
My guest today, Scott Payne, spent more than two decades working with some of the most notorious biker gangs, illegal drug operations, and neo-Nazis. And, it would be hard to even imagine some of the things he’s seen and experienced in his decades-long career as an FBI Special Agent.
Today, Scott and I talk about what it takes to be a successful undercover agent, the lines that get blurred when working with some of the most dangerous criminals in the world, how to keep your cool under pressure (including the time a notorious biker gang stripped him in a basement to search him for the wire he was wearing at the time), and how a man transitions back into his ordinary life after one of the most dangerous jobs he could do.
SHOW HIGHLIGHTS
- 00:00 - Introduction
- 00:52 - Undercover Beginnings
- 02:25 - First Drug Buy
- 04:37 - Dark Humor Coping
- 06:32 - No Honor Among Thieves
- 15:06 - Infiltrating Neo-Nazis
- 26:07 - Blurring the Lines
- 35:31 - Illegal Activity Question
- 41:08 - Drug Protection Deal
- 47:59 - Basement Strip Search
- 01:00:55 - Wife’s Prayer
- 01:08:34 - Missing the Field
- 01:12:51 - Book Announcement
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| 0:00.0 | My guest today, Scott Payne, spent more than two decades working with some of the most notorious |
| 0:04.9 | biker gangs, illegal drug operations, and neo-Nazis. And it would be hard to even imagine |
| 0:11.0 | some of the things that he's seen and experienced in his decades-long career as an FBI special |
| 0:16.6 | agent. Today, Scott and I talk about what it takes to be a successful undercover agent, |
| 0:22.4 | the line that gets blurred when working with some of the most dangerous criminals in the world, |
| 0:27.4 | how to keep your cool under pressure, including the time a notorious biker gang stripped him |
| 0:32.8 | in a basement to search him for a wire that he was actually wearing at the time. |
| 0:38.8 | Also, how a man transitions back into his ordinary day life after one of the most dangerous |
| 0:44.2 | jobs he could ever do. |
| 0:45.9 | You're a man of action. |
| 0:47.4 | You live life to the fullest. |
| 0:48.8 | Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. |
| 0:51.8 | When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. |
| 0:56.3 | You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. |
| 1:01.3 | This is your life. |
| 1:02.4 | This is who you are. |
| 1:03.8 | This is who you will become. |
| 1:05.6 | At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man. |
| 1:12.7 | Men, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. |
| 1:14.9 | I am the host and the founder, Ryan Mickler. |
| 1:17.2 | Thanks for tuning in. |
| 1:18.4 | Thanks for banning with us. |
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