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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

I think there is a divergent within the administration between those who are more prepared to use military force,

and those who actually would like to test the possibilities of doing what the president has said he wants to do here,

which is to get a bigger, better deal.

I don't think that there is a lot of optimism that that deal is very soon in the offing.

I don't think there's any reason to believe that we could actually get to a final agreement with the Iranians.

But I do think that there are people within the administration who see evidence emanating from the chattering of the Iranian political establishment

that there is a constituency within Iran that is ready to test the waters again because they don't feel they have many great alternative options.

I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast June 17, 2019.

It's getting ugly over there in the Persian Gulf.

Iran allegedly attacks two oil tankers.

It announces that it's going to violate the JCPOA, the so-called Iran nuclear agreement.

There's talk of military strikes. Europe is edgy.

And the Secretary of State is on Sunday talk shows being edgy or still.

So we did what any red-blooded American would do.

We got Suzanne Maloney and Scott Anderson in the Jungle Studio to talk it all through.

We talked about whether the AUMF covers Iran.

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