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Welcome to the treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. You may know my guest, Scott Alexander and Larry Karazioski, from their, what we can say, their biographical dramas. I'll put it that way from 20 years ago when they work with Tim Burton and Ed Wood. They've also done the people versus Larry Flint, a man in the moon about the incredible life of Andy Kaufman. But they've also done comedies, problem child, and suspense films,

an adaptation of Stephen King's 1408, their newest film as writers.

Again, working with Tim Burton is the film Big Eyes.

Skystar, so much for being here.

Thank you for having us, Elvis.

And jump in, whoever wants to tell us what the movie's about.

The movie is about. It's kind of the amazing tale of Walter and Margaret Keene.

Walter was kind of the guy who invented the mass marketing of art.

The Keynes were not accepted in art circles, so they sort of did this crazy end run

where they built their own galleries, you know, put out their own coffee table books.

And Walter kind of figured out that art critics didn't matter.

That if you got a picture of your painting with a celebrity, then you could sell prints to Middle America.

And he figured out how to make the prints as cheap as possible.

And so he sort of like figured out a way of getting his art into Woolworths,

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