Scientology—Pt2: "Not Today, Xenu"
Was I in a Cult?
Liz Iacuzzi
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🗓️ 2 February 2026
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Her stepfather told her: "Your child will be a fourth generation Scientologist whether you like it or not." That was the threat. This is the fight.
In Part 2, Liz Gale tells us what happened to her brother - and what finally made her walk away from everything. Her family. Her inheritance. Land her ancestors homesteaded on the Oregon Trail. All of it. Gone. Because she finally said… Oh, hell no. You got me, but you don't get my kids.
This episode is a warning. Scientology is still ever-present. They're in your kids' schools. They're hiding behind interfaith councils and "study technology." And the biggest thing standing in their way? Apparently mothers who trust their intuition. Mama bears, this one's for you.
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| 0:00.0 | The views, information, or opinions expressed by the guest appearing in this episode solely |
| 0:04.4 | belong to the guest and do not represent or reflect the views or positions of the hosts, |
| 0:09.4 | the show, podcast one, this network, or any of their respective affiliates. |
| 0:14.7 | Before we begin, this episode contains discussions of suicide. |
| 0:18.2 | If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out to the |
| 0:21.2 | 988 suicide and crisis lifeline by calling or texting 988. You are not alone. |
| 0:30.4 | When I first got pregnant, my stepfather said to me and my husband, your child will be a fourth |
| 0:35.7 | generation Scientologist, whether you like it or not. That is verbatim. And I don't know. Maybe the hormones just took a minute to build, or maybe it took me eight years to finally get there, but there was like a little bit of mama bear that was ignited with that statement, and I wasn't strong enough to do anything about it at that time. I don't know. Something in me just kind of like, no, you can't have him. |
| 1:05.5 | Welcome back, our friends, our friends, my friends, they're mine. |
| 1:09.4 | Can I join? Can I just hang out with your friends for a little bit? You can be in our |
| 1:12.8 | cult. You can be. Come on in, Tyler. Just watch from the sidelines and make a fool of myself. This is, |
| 1:18.6 | Was I in a cult, and I am Liz Ayacuzzi. And I'm Tyler Misum, the fifth wheel, apparently of this. |
| 1:26.4 | And this is part two of our conversation with Liz Gale, |
| 1:30.5 | the friendly and messy third-generation ex-scientologist. |
| 1:34.9 | Was it our conversation, Tyler? |
| 1:36.9 | Which conversation? |
| 1:37.9 | Who's conversation? |
| 1:38.4 | He said this is part two of our conversation. |
| 1:41.4 | No, it was your conversation with her, |
| 1:43.2 | but again, I was hanging around listening to it, |
| 1:45.4 | just like everyone else. Hey, everybody, if you have not listened to Part 1, go back now, please. |
| 1:53.1 | Yeah, don't pass Go. Don't collect 200. Or if you're David Miscavage, don't collect your $40,000 |
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