It has to be some common sense.

Yes, sir. They have the car stopped intent and branch, Michael Byzer.

We still don't know who pulled the trigger. Hello everyone and welcome to Police Off the Cuff Real Crime Stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD.

I'm so excited about tonight's show.

First of all, we got Professor Mike Geary, who I also will add was an NYPD sergeant, really smart guy.

And I don't know how I did this, this coup,

but I got superstar FBI agent Bobby Chaconne and he's a Long Island boy. And he also has two family

members or NYPD sergeants. How can I do any better than that? Bobby, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me. I'm not sure about the superstar thing, but thank you very much for having me.

Appreciate it.

Well, you know, Bobby, as I told you off the year, I was like, you know, I've watched, I call them talking heads.

And, you know, when I go on a TV channel, I'm a talking head too.

So it's not just a derogatory comment.

But you were one of the best talking heads during this whole thing. I really liked the

way you presented yourself when you talked about behavioral analysis. You didn't speak in absolutes.

You left an out that this could mean this or this could mean that. I can't, you know,

anything with investigation, there's no could or what or should have. There's always room for

movement. There's no positivity. This means this.

Sure, sure, absolutely. I mean, look, you can't talk in those terms. You know, those of us who have done it actually done the work, you realize how you can trip yourself up when you start talking in absolute terms because invariably, investigations have twists and turns that you don't see common, you know,

you just got to be in it, you got to be ready to react and deal with the evidence as it comes to you.

You know, you can't make assumptions, you can't make conclusions, you know, oh, you lose a case.

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