Research that resonates.

He's the president of the Government Accountability Institute, Peter Switzer.

Peter Schweitzer. Peter Schweitzer. Peter Schweitzer has spent many years, in fact, probably done a more comprehensive job than anyone's ever done,

chronicling the corruption by the powerful in Washington.

Be very prescient Eric Eggers. Join me right now is Government Accountability Institute Research Director, Eric Eggers. We're going to take information that we've learned, that people like

Peter Schweitzer have uncovered, and we're going to try to go further. Great investigative reporting,

Peter. You're the only one doing it.

Thank God.

Eric Eggers from the Government Accountability Institute and co-hosts of that great podcast,

The Drilled Down with Peter Schweitzer.

This is The Drill Down with Peter Schweitzer.

Hi, it's Peter Schweitzer and welcome to The Drill Down.

Well, has journalism destroyed politics or has politics destroyed journalism or is a little bit of both?

We're going to unpack that today with a veteran journalist Mark Halpern. I'm going to do that with a co-host of this program, Eric Eggers. Eric, how are you?

You know, I hadn't thought about it, but either way, whether it was politics destroying journalism or journalism destroying politics, the question becomes, is it Mark Halpern's fault? Because he's been sort of ingrained in both, I think, for the better part of three decades. I'm very excited. I'm a big fan of his, all the things he produces. He does a very smart and creative way of delivering information to people. And he's had a front row seat for the evolution of both. As have you, Peter Schwitzer, who I should point out, you know, Mark Halperin, as he pointed out when he interviewed you, is a best-selling author, number one, for the third week in row, sir. Well, well, thank you. I'm very appreciative of that. Mark Halper probably doesn't need an introduction of this audience, but he was the political director at ABC News.

He's done so many things in journalism.

He's the author of a couple of number one New York Times bestseller about American politics.

He's got a great podcast I've been on called Next Up with Mark Halper.

I encourage everybody to subscribe to that.

And he's got a new one called

Two-Way Tonight, which is sort of a bipartisan debate or discussion program. Mark, let's just

get right straight to the topic. You know, I think everybody would agree. The state of journalism

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