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Schrödinger's Strait and the New Energy Order | Daniel Yergin

Hidden Forces

Demetri Kofinas

Business, Government

4.8 • 1.6K Ratings

🗓️ 2 July 2026

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 486 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Pulitzer Prize-winning author and leading authority on energy and geopolitics Daniel Yergin about the surprising resiliency of the global economy in the face of major supply disruptions and the consequences of the US war with Iran and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz for global energy markets, energy security, electrification (including alternative energy generation and storage), and the balance of power in the Gulf.

The conversation begins with a simple question: Why have energy market disruptions from both the Iran conflict and the Ukraine War proved far more manageable than many analysts and decades of scenario planning predicted? Demetri and Dan examine what that resilience tells us about the transformation of global supply chains, energy diversification, inventory management, and the roles of the United States and China as the world's largest swing producers and consumers of energy.

From there, they turn to the broader geopolitical consequences of the crisis—the lessons China continues to draw from America's entanglements in the Middle East, Iran's bid to convert the Strait of Hormuz into a strategic chokepoint and long-term revenue source, the recalibration of Gulf security as American commitments to the region grows less certain, and the shifting alignments among the Gulf states, Iran, China, and the United States that will define the regional balance of power in the years ahead.

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Episode Recorded on 06/29/2026

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0:00.0

What's up, everybody? My name is Demetri Gaffinus, and you're listening to Hidden Forces,

0:06.1

a podcast that inspires investors, entrepreneurs and everyday citizens to challenge consensus narratives,

0:13.1

and learn how to think critically about the systems of power shaping our world.

0:17.8

My guest in this episode of Hidden Forces is Daniel Juergen, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and leading authority on energy, geopolitics, and the world. My guest in this episode of Hidden Forces is Daniel Juergen, a Pulitzer Prize winning

0:22.0

author and leading authority on energy, geopolitics, and the global economy, who also serves as

0:28.0

vice chairman of S&P Global and is previously taught at Harvard Business School and the Kennedy School

0:33.2

of Government. Dan and I recorded this conversation on Monday, June 29th, amidst ongoing talks

0:39.3

between the United States and Iran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and restore commercial

0:44.0

shipping through the world's most important energy choke point. Despite those disruptions,

0:48.7

the straits closure has proven far less catastrophic than many oil analysts and decades

0:53.4

of nightmarish scenario planning

0:55.0

had predicted. The question then is why? Why, in the case of both the ongoing war with Iran

1:01.2

and the Ukraine war, have disruptions to energy markets prove far more manageable than many

1:06.7

expected? And what does their resilience and that of the global economy tell us about the changing

1:11.9

nature of global supply chains, energy diversification, inventory management, and the roles of the

1:18.3

United States and China as the world's largest swing producers and consumers of energy?

1:24.4

From there, we examine how this crisis has served as a catalyst for a series of ongoing

1:28.8

transformations to the global order and regional geopolitics, beginning with China and the

1:34.4

lessons it continues to draw from this conflict and from America's entanglements in the Middle

1:39.0

East. Iran's bid to turn the Strait of Hormuz into its own private waterway, the

1:43.9

recalibration of Gulf

1:44.9

security as American commitments to and interests in the region grow less certain, and the shifting

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