Welcome back to the Libertarian Podcast, the Hoover Institution. I'm your host Tom Church joined as always by the Libertarian Professor Richard Epstein.

Richard is the Peter and Kirsten Bedford Senior Fellow here at the Hoover Institution.

He's the Lawrence A. Tish Professor of Law at NYU and he's also a senior

lecturer at the University of Chicago. On today's show we'll be talking about UCLA's

unbelievably approach to pro-Palestinian groups and their treatment of Jewish students on the and the upcoming DNC convention. Richard, how are you today?

Well, I'm very pessimistic because I think it's all going to turn out quite badly.

Richard, when was the last time that you felt optimistic?

October 6th. When was the last time that you felt optimistic?

October 6th.

You know what?

Fair answer.

Fair answer.

I think it's just been a downward spiral since that time.

You know, it's really led to some frankly, I think unbelievable behavior on campuses.

Let's start with UCLA.

A federal court just blocked UCLA from allowing and assisting pro-Palestinian encampments and their supporters from barring

Jewish students from large parts of UCLA's campus. Now this happened earlier this year,

right, while students were still on campus, pro-Palestinian groups were excluding

Jews from parts of campus weren't letting them go through, we're trying to get them to things

like renounce their faith or or try to identify them and obviously this is not allowed and yet you said argued that

hey we they had some instances allowed them to do this, they didn't clear them out, they didn't prevent them from doing it, and they were trying to de-escalate violence.

Richard, I'd love to know your reaction here to the federal court, and what's likely to happen to UCLA now?

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