Schools concrete crisis: What the government knew and when
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The Times
3.9 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 7 September 2023
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Yesterday the government published a list of over a hundred schools in England which are fully or partially shut because of safety fears over RAAC – a type of concrete that’s started to crumble. Has the government done 'a f***ing good job', as the education secretary put it? Or did it fail to heed the warnings?
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| 0:00.0 | It hasn't been a stellar week for the education secretary. |
| 0:11.0 | Does anyone ever say, you know what, you've done a f***ing good job because everyone else |
| 0:15.4 | has sat on their f***s and done nothing, no signs of that, no? |
| 0:19.9 | In middle of a full-blown crisis, she spent much of the week on camera, swearing when |
| 0:25.6 | she thought an interview had ended, and then apologising for swearing. |
| 0:30.2 | And all the time insisting that the government has done a good job, even though schools |
| 0:37.2 | up and down the country are crumbling. |
| 0:40.7 | Now we've done a really good job, the department and everybody we've been working really hard |
| 0:44.3 | on this, we've done a really good job. |
| 0:53.4 | But the government hasn't done a good job on this, no government has for years and years |
| 0:59.8 | because that's how long warnings have existed about the risks of collapsing concrete |
| 1:05.5 | in public buildings, including schools. |
| 1:10.0 | It's been on the agenda for governments, so of different political persuasions for decades |
| 1:14.8 | now. |
| 1:15.8 | We were saying there's a critical risk to life if this programme is not funded, while |
| 1:20.7 | I was the permanent secretary in 2018, a concrete blog fell from the roof of a primary school, |
| 1:29.6 | so it wasn't just a risk, it was actually starting to happen. |
| 1:35.4 | But despite the evidence, the warnings were ignored, and the government took what's been |
| 1:41.5 | described as a sticking-plaster approach to fixing schools, but it's not the sort of problem |
| 1:48.0 | you can just wish away. |
| 1:50.2 | As the government is now learning, it's bound to return as an even bigger disaster. |
| 1:56.2 | Thousands of students are facing significant disruption at the start of the new term, |
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