So I'm rolling and we'll just kind of go and see how it goes.

Sure. I mean there's no like structure too.

I'm going to monitor the sound. So, okay, so for everyone listening, can you introduce yourselves?

Yes, I'm Bernadette Pack. I am the founder and leader of ghost seekers of Central New York.

And I'm Josh Ost and I'm a technical advisor and paranormal investigator with the Ghost Secrets of Central New York.

Nice.

So what got you guys started or Bernadette?

What kind of got you into this? I felt like I've always been a little

mysterious since I was a child. I had some times in my life when I was young, maybe 8 or 9, one hand night, a woman would come into my room and believe me she wasn't real.

And she would just look at me in bed and she scared me.

Stand over you?

Stand right over me.

And she wouldn't talk and I would just freeze in bed. I didn't know what the

heck to look, you know, to think of it, but when I told my parents about it, they

said no, no you were just dreaming and I'm like no dad I'm not

dreaming this woman comes in my room all the time and so I guess my parents got nervous and talked to the nuns and priests at the Catholic school that I went to and they kind of treated it like, oh my goodness, what is wrong with this girl?

Yeah.

So they, you know, through the years,

they just kind of talked me out of believing it,

but it didn't work because it kind of followed me through the years and from time to time I would see

someone that wasn't there in reality and they weren't completely clear, maybe moving, maybe not.

But of course it got me looking at, are these ghosts?

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