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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics. It's Friday, July 28th.

I'm Dorothy Wickenden, executive editor of The New Yorker. On Wednesday, New Yorker staff

writer Ryan Liza got an angry phone call from Anthony Scaramucci, Trump's new communications director.

Scaramucci demanded to know Liz's White House source for an innocuous tweet, and when Ryan

refused, he launched into an obscenity-filled tirade against Reince Priebus, Trump's chief

of staff, whom Scaramucci accused of felony level leaking.

The next morning, Scaramucci joined Ryan on CNN. As you know from the Italian expression,

the fish stinks from the head down, but I can tell you two fish that don't stink, okay? And that's

me and the president. I don't like the activity that's going on in the White House. I don't like

what they're doing in my friend. I don't like what they're doing to the President of the United States or their fellow colleagues in the West Wing.

Ryan Lizzie joins me to talk about his conversation with Scaramucci and about a president

whose obsession with loyalty is wreaking havoc on his administration. Ryan, welcome.

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