The US Army said, look, we know that the Soviet Union doesn't have the training to operate effectively at night.

And so the Army said, we want to own the night. To me, if the Army did the same thing that they did with, we're going to own the night.

We're going to own robotic warfare.

I think it would allow us to really cause the Russians' pause.

I can see autonomous, unmanned casualty evacuation,

autonomous unmanned resupply, robotic sentries, you know, for combat

outpost, et cetera. There'll be a whole lot of missions where you'll have nothing but unmanned

systems doing it.

Hey, welcome back to the Modern War Institute podcast.

I'm John Amble, editorial director at MWI, and this episode features a conversation I have

with former Deputy Defense Secretary Bob Work.

During his time in that role, he was responsible for overseeing the day-to-day operations

of the Pentagon and shaping DoD's $600 billion program.

He was also instrumental in developing the third offset strategy.

He quite obviously has a wealth of experience thinking about the future of warfare and

his remarks about that future that you'll hear in this episode are insightful and nuanced

and really fascinating.

But he also began his career as a Marine Corps officer as the U.S. military was emerging from the Vietnam War and grappling with a range of Cold War era challenges.

That gives him a broad perspective, which, as you'll hear, influences the way he thinks about the challenges of today and tomorrow.

Before we get to the conversation, just a couple quick notes.

First, for all of our new listeners, be sure to find and subscribe to the MWI podcast on your favorite podcast app.

And second, what you hear in this episode are the views of the participants.

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