This is the Tom Hartman program.

And welcome back, Tom Hartman here with you.

On the line with us is Professor Richard Wolff.

He is the economist co-founder of Democracy at work.info, author of numerous books, the most recent

The Sickness is the system when capitalism fails to save us from pandemics or itself, democracy

worked out info and RD Wolff with 2Fs.com.

His website is Professor Wolff.

Welcome back.

We have 30 million people on unemployment.

God only knows how many don't qualify for unemployment because they're gig workers or they've

been laid off too long.

The Washington Post this morning, half of all American families facing utility shut-offs,

a third of the people in some states, more than three months behind other bills, a looming

eviction crisis.

How long is it going to take for America to recover from the damage that Trump has done

by the way that he has responded to this pandemic?

Well, I think the best way I can answer that question is with history as happens so often.

I would argue for most Americans, if you think about it, the entirety of the 20th century

in the United States was a reaction to all that had happened in the Great Depression

of the 1930s.

If you think about it, the war itself was clearly, partly at least, the product of all of

that, the role of Roosevelt, the movement to organize unions, I mean, vast changes produced

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