Welcome back. This is a very special episode of Not Another True Crime podcast. I'm Sarah Levine.

And I'm Danny Murphy and Sarah. Let them know why it is so special. Or should I say,

scam Sarah? Let them know. Doesn't work as well. But we are so excited to be here with journalist,

podcast host Charlie Webster across the pond. Again, we love having our British guests.

Thank you very much for having me. I'm actually across the pond, but I'm in America.

So does that count? Well, it's all count. Yes.

I think especially the way I saw it. It's kind of a bit of a giveaway. Imagine you're born in

the UK and you just talk like this. Like, that's no fun. Then we might have to do some digging on you.

Yeah. My name definitely doesn't work with Scam. Yes. Well, I have to talk about it because you're

the host and you are the journalist behind this podcast. Do you say scam, Amanda or scam,

Amanda? How do you pronounce? What do you say? Well, this title is funny because we were using it

as a joke initially. Not as a joke. I suppose that sounds like a working title.

Working title. Working title. Because we've, you know, I've really made sure I've taken this

whole project seriously and looked at it from all angles as a journalist, but we used it,

like you said, Danny, as a working title because it just kind of came out. And so we call it

Scamander rather than scam and it's just Scamander. Oh, perfect. Let's look at the latest cut of

Scamander. And then in the end, we, I mean, I remember so fully, I remember trying to come up

with other titles and wrote about 20 other titles out. And we would just like, yeah, none of these

and Noah near as good as Scamander. So Scamander. It really is such a perfect title for it because

it, it's like, gets you hooked and you're curious. And then thankfully for all the listeners or

the people that are about to listen after this, you deliver such a detailed podcast. And this

like story is so, so many twists and layers to it. How did you first find out about this story?

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