Scaling Laws: The Ivory Tower and AI (Live from IHS's Technology, Liberalism, and Abundance Conference)

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🗓️ 1 October 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Neil Chilson, Head of AI Policy at the Abundance Institute, and Gus Hurwitz, Senior Fellow and CTIC Academic Director at Penn Carey Law School and Director of Law & Economics Programs at the International Center for Law & Economics, join Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to explore how academics can overcome the silos and incentives that plague the Ivory Tower and positively contribute to the highly complex, evolving, and interdisciplinary work associated with AI governance.

The trio recorded this podcast live at the Institute for Humane Studies’s Technology, Liberalism, and Abundance Conference in Arlington, Virginia.

Read about Kevin's thinking on the topic here: https://www.civitasinstitute.org/research/draining-the-ivory-tower

Learn about the Conference: https://www.theihs.org/blog/curated-event/technology-abundance-and-liberalism/

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1:09.0	It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Alan Rosenstein, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota,
1:14.9	and a senior editor and research director at Lawfare. Today we're bringing you something a little
1:19.3	different, an episode from our new podcast series, Scaling Laws. It's a creation of Lawfare
1:24.5	and the University of Texas School of Law where we're tackling the most important AI and policy questions, from new legislation on Capitol Hill to the latest
1:32.6	breakthroughs that are happening in the labs. We cut through the hype to get you up to speed on the
1:37.0	rules, standards, and ideas shaping the future of this pivotal technology. If you enjoy this
1:42.2	episode, you can find and subscribe to scaling laws wherever you get your podcasts and follow us on X and Blue Sky. Thanks for listening.
1:52.7	When the AI overlords take over, what are you most excited about? It's not crazy. It's just smart.
2:03.0	And just this year, in the first six months, there have been something like a thousand laws.
2:07.3	Who's actually building the scaffolding around how it's going to work, how everyday folks are going to use it?
2:12.5	AI only works if society lets it work.
2:15.3	There are so many questions have to be figured out.
2:18.5	Nobody came to my bonus class.
2:20.2	Let's enforce the rules of the road.
2:23.9	Welcome back to scaling laws, the podcast brought to you by Lawfare and the University
2:27.9	of Texas School of Law that explores the intersection of AI, policy, and of course, the
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