Scaling Laws: The AI Economy and You: How AI Is, Will, and May Alter the Nature of Work and Economic Growth with Anton Korinek, Nathan Goldschlag, and Bharat Chander

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🗓️ 14 November 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Anton Korinek, a professor of economics at the University of Virginia and newly appointed economist to Anthropic's Economic Advisory Council; Nathan Goldschlag, Director of Research at the Economic Innovation Group; and Bharat Chander, Economist at Stanford Digital Economy Lab, join Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to sort through the myths, truths, and ambiguities that shape the important debate around the effects of AI on jobs.

They discuss what happens when machines begin to outperform humans in virtually every computer-based task, how that transition might unfold, and what policy interventions could ensure broadly shared prosperity.

These three are prolific researchers. Give them a follow to find their latest works:

Anton: @akorinek on X
Nathan: @ngoldschlag and @InnovateEconomy on X
Bharat: X: @BharatKChandar, LinkedIn: @bharatchandar, Substack: @bharatchandar

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0:00.0	Nearly every news alert in 2025 has raised questions, some old, some new, about the law and national security.
0:08.0	And now you get the chance to ask Lawfare directly. It's time for our annual Ask Us Anything Mailbag podcast, an opportunity for you to ask Lawfare this year's most burning questions.
0:19.0	You can submit your question by leaving a voicemail at
0:22.1	202-643-8474 or by sending a recording of yourself asking your question to Ask Us Anything Lawfare
0:32.8	at gmail.com by December 16th.
0:38.2	It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Alan Rosenstein, associate professor of law at the University
0:43.1	of Minnesota, and a senior editor and research director at Lawfare. Today we're bringing
0:47.7	you something a little different, an episode from our new podcast series, Scaling Laws.
0:52.4	It's a creation of Lawfare and the University of Texas School of Law,
0:55.9	where we're tackling the most important AI and policy questions,
0:59.2	from new legislation on Capitol Hill to the latest breakthroughs that are happening in the labs.
1:03.9	We cut through the hype to get you up to speed on the rules, standards, and ideas
1:07.9	shaping the future of this pivotal technology.
1:10.5	If you enjoy this episode, you can find and subscribe to scaling laws wherever you get your
1:14.7	podcasts and follow us on X and Blue Sky.
1:17.5	Thanks for listening.
1:22.5	When the AI overlords take over, what are you most excited about?
1:30.3	It's not crazy, it's just smart.
1:33.3	And just this year, in the first six months, there have been something like a thousand laws.
1:37.3	Who's actually building the scaffolding around how it's going to work, how everyday folks are going to use it?
1:42.3	AI only works if society lets it work.
1:45.3	There are so many questions have to be figured out.
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