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The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “Video Killed the Podcast Star” Edition

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.2K Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Natalie Orpett, Eric Columbus, and Molly Roberts, to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:

  • “I Don’t Think You’re Ready for the Shutdown.” The record-setting shutdown of the U.S. government is set to come to an end after eight Democratic senators agreed to a continuing resolution that will fund all of the government through January 30, certain chunks of the government all the way through the end of the fiscal year, and made a number of concessions along the way. What should we make of this deal, and what are the political ramifications—particularly for Democrats, many of whom are quite angry at those who ultimately voted for this plan?
  • “Overt Acts.” Last week, in a move quite publicly celebrated by his controversial clemency czar Ed Martin, President Trump issued pardons for dozens of individuals accused of participating in efforts to manipulate the results of the 2020 election in his favor, including his former attorney Rudy Giuliani and other alleged “unindicted co-conspirators” in his own, since-abandoned federal criminal prosecution. Indeed, Trump himself was the only one who was federally indicted for 2020 election manipulations, making the most immediate legal effect of these pardons unclear. What is Trump trying to accomplish in issuing them? And what could the ramifications be for future elections?
  • “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit.” Even as his prosecutions against James Comey and Letitia James have faced headwinds, the Trump administration appears to be moving full speed ahead with criminal investigations against other of his perceived enemies—including a large-scale investigation into government reports alleging Russian support for Trump in 2016 that was recently transferred from Justice Department officials in Eastern Pennsylvania to the more Trump-friendly terrain of Southern Florida. What is the current state of the revenge campaign the Trump administration has been pursuing, and where does it seem set to lead?

In object lessons, Natalie is appreciating both “The History of the New Yorkers Vaunted Fact Checking Department” and the small army of neurotic geniuses who march forward in pursuit of journalistic integrity. Eric is appreciating The Week Junior, his daughter’s favorite magazine that proves real journalism isn’t just for grown-ups. Scott is appreciating The Far Side’s online presence, updated daily—a reminder that the line between journalism and cartooning is always thinner than we’d like to admit. And Molly is appreciating an “illuminating” visit to Glenstone, where Jenny Holzer’s art reads like journalism etched in light, documenting the lingering shadows of some dark subjects.

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0:00.0

Scott, I want you to know that we are doing this in video and I am under duress.

0:05.6

You do look a little bit like you're under duress, but that's why we do it in video so I can tell how genuine your objections and emotions are.

0:12.6

I'm not a lie. I don't love being on video either, but the people demand it, the hordes, and we give the people what they want.

0:19.4

But what is your objection?

0:26.7

I just, I make so many faces while people are talking. And I, I want people to think that I'm respectful when actually I'm making extremely skeptical looks. See, this is where you and I are

0:32.0

different because I am happy for people to see my faces. I want people to see when I don't react

0:36.8

because then it becomes painfully obvious. I'm not listening and I'm trying to prepare for the next see my faces. I want people to see when I don't react because then it becomes

0:37.5

painfully obvious. I'm not listening and I'm trying to prepare for the next segment.

0:42.1

I got to tell you when it's audio only, it also is pretty obvious when you're not listening. Fair enough.

0:47.4

The stammering, the immediate transition to a topic no one was talking about. I have a certain special set of

0:53.2

skills that I deploy on this podcast.

0:55.6

I guess the thing is I can make use of a skill that my son recently learned and

1:01.8

deploy is occasionally correctly, which is the air quotes.

1:05.5

Ooh, that's good.

1:06.9

My objecting to video is that I cannot stop looking at my own face when I am talking,

1:11.6

and then I am far too focused on my own facial express and not focused nearly enough on the substance of what I am saying.

1:17.6

That is a genuine problem.

1:19.6

My very first, or second, like, television appearance when I started this job, was back, like, in the actual studio where they would pull you on.

1:26.6

For some reason, this news network, I won't not name who they are, would, like, you know, in the actual studio where they would pull you on. For some reason,

1:32.4

this news network, I won't not name who they are, would like put a monitor of your own face right below the camera so you could see what you look like. And it was terrible because all I could

1:37.3

all I'd do is kept nervously moving my eyes up and down. So it looked like I was watching a tiny

1:41.8

vertical tennis game of some sort. It was not very effective or credible look, I will say. I asked them to turn it off the next time I came in. And that was my policy from now on is just like, just turn it off. I don't need to know what I look like. I think it's all for the better. I'll try to just look at Natalie's judgmental faces. Focus on that instead. there's a New Yorker cartoon maybe, I don't know,

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