Hey everyone welcome to the conversations that matter podcast I am obviously in a car right now in

Actually a beautiful fall day right now in upstate New York. It could not be better weather for October.

In fact, I probably don't even need a long sleeve shirt. It's like summer weather but fall

color so you don't get any better than that and driving through the

cat skills so it's a little windy and the sun is going to be shining in all

different directions as we go on these roads but this is the time I have so I figured why not record a

podcast now I have my brother driving there he is and we actually just did an interview with Kirkpatrick's sale who wrote, I didn't realize this actually how influential his book was before we went, but it was a book on Columbus that helped kind of change the way

Columbus is perceived, Christopher Columbus that is. And what was the name of it

again? I haven't read it.

Christopher Columbus and the discovery

what no.

Yeah, or no, no, it wasn't the discovery of paradise.

It was really good to see We really have it together.

Christopher Columbus and the conquest of Paradise is the name of the book.

Anyway, he wrote that in 1990 or published it in 1990 and he went to a hundred different universities and

colleges speaking about Christopher Columbus and it was all pretty much directed at negative stuff.

Like Columbus came and brought with him European values

that didn't really didn't value the land like the Native Americans did and

exploited it and kind of from a little more of an environmentalist perspective.

And so he would often speak and then they might have like a Native American speaker come up afterward

and talk about how terrible it is that Europeans came over and what they brought with them

and all the negative things.

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